Jason, I looked through this but I don't really understand what I'm looking at. Can you explain how you came to the conclusion that he was involved in "at least 9 pit fights" and "provided at least 36 dogs for pit fighting?"
@antithesis, absolutely! I gave the presentation at yesterday's meeting, and I did my best to go fast and strictly state facts, but I STILL needed another 2 minutes
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So I think that the presentation may have been just as confusing, too.
Again, here's the link to the visual aid that I used during the presentation:
Throughout the presentation I refer to apbt.online-pedigrees.com; this is a common site for APBT members to post their own dogs and pedigrees. It costs $30 /year to have a membership, so it's highly unlikely that anything on the site would be fake.
His 2001 arrest is well documented, so in the presentation I skipped ahead to page 4.
On page 4 and 5, you'll see two magazine ads for Killer Klown Kennels. In these you'll see that he owned "Ch. Justice" (short for "Champion Justice"), "Gr Ch Buck" (short for "Grand Champion Buck"), Gr Ch Mayday, Ch Black Pazmanian, and Gr Ch Andy Capp.
You'll also see that "Ch Justice" sired Bully Boy (4XW), Chilli (2XW), Miss Thing (1XW), Szar (1XW), and JJ (game loser).
Now if you skip ahead to pages 7 and 8, you'll see that it's well documented that the title Ch. / Champion is a title that means that the dog has won 3 consecutive pit fights, Gr.Ch. / Grand Champion means that the dog has won 4 consecutive pit fights, and 4XW means that the dog has won 4 pit fights (non-consecutive or the dog would be a Grand Champion).
** In those magazine ads alone, you can see that Stoney Greene's dog, Justice, was the winner of 3 consecutive pit fights, and had 5 offspring that had been in pit fights.
On page 10 I show where Justice's list of offspring had been updated to show 14 offspring.
On page 12, I show another dog, "Ch Victoria (3XW/1XBIS) ROM"; this time bred by Stone Hard. This dog is also a Champion and 3 time winner, and the page shows the fight times. This page was posted on April 9, 2013.
The 1XBIS means "1 time best in show", which she won after here 1 hour and 41 minute fight.
ROM means that Victoria had birthed at least 3 other Champions.
** At this point, we know that Victoria was in 3 pit fights and birthed at least 3 more pit fighters.
Page 13, though, shows that Victoria had birthed a total of 21 offspring.
This is where I had to stop in the presentation to the Commissioners
But you can continue on to page 14 to find "Ch Frank Lucas", owned and bred by Stone Hard Kennel. The "Champion" title means that this dog has won 3 consecutive pit fights, and you can see that this page was posted on September 6, 2020 and last updated on November 2, 2020.
** At this point, you can see that Stoney Greene's dog "Frank Lucas" has won 3 consecutive pit fights.
And finally, you can see on page 15 that "Frank Lucas" has had one offspring that appears to have been for sale on June 4, 2021.
Those 3 dogs alone (Justice, Victoria, and Frank Lucas) all have the title of "Champion", so all 3 have been in at least 3 pit fights; thus, 9 pit fights.
And those 3 dogs alone have had 36 offspring that were sold or for sale based on their pedigree, which could only mean that the buyer would want them to train for pit fighting.
Each of these are Class H felonies, with a minimum sentence of 4 months in prison. And there are no statutes of limitations on felonies in NC.