wilkes

Do you believe?? You CAN'T obey Two Teachers. Why Not consider turning away from Christian Religion to the One that can Save your. The Lord God Jesus The Christ..

The World's Hatred
18 "If the world hates you, remember that it hated me first. 19 The world would love you as one of its own if you belonged to it, but you are no longer part of the world. I chose you to come out of the world, so it hates you. 20 Do you remember what I told you? 'A slave is not greater than the master.' Since they persecuted me, naturally they will persecute you. And if they had listened to me, they would listen to you. 21 They will do all this to you because of me, for they have rejected the one who sent me. 22 They would not be guilty if I had not come and spoken to them. But now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Anyone who hates me also hates my Father. 24 If I hadn't done such miraculous signs among them that no one else could do, they would not be guilty. But as it is, they have seen everything I did, yet they still hate me and my Father. 25 This fulfills what is written in their Scriptures[a]: 'They hated me without cause.'

26 "But I will send you the Advocate[b]-the Spirit of truth. He will come to you from the Father and will testify all about me. 27 And you must also testify about me because you have been with me from the beginning of my ministry.

Good read wilkesconvert I agree Jesus clears it up with
New Living Translation
Then Jesus said to his critics, "I have a question for you. Does the law permit good deeds on the Sabbath, or is it a day for doing evil? Is this a day to save life or to destroy it.
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If you see someone in need we are to help them. People needs to read the laws of God because it doesn't say we are free to watch people suffer if we can help them. Even on the Sabbath Day..

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In scripture, the emphasis on love over legalism is rooted deeply in the teachings of Jesus. Jesus often confronted the Pharisees and other religious leaders about their strict adherence to laws while neglecting the more important aspects of faith, such as love, mercy, and justice.

One powerful illustration of this is found in the Gospel of Matthew, where Jesus criticizes the Pharisees for their hypocrisy:

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence. You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also." (Matthew 23:25-26 NABRE)

In this passage, Jesus is making it clear that outward appearances and strict adherence to ritual purity laws are meaningless if the heart is not pure and filled with love. The inside of the cup, representing our inner life and intentions, must be clean first.

Another significant example is Jesus healing on the Sabbath. In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus heals a man with dropsy on the Sabbath, and He responds to the Pharisees who are watching Him:

"Then Jesus spoke to the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, 'Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath, or not?' But they kept silent. And He took hold of him and healed him and sent him away. And He said to them, 'Which one of you will have a son or an ox fall into a well, and will not immediately pull him out on a Sabbath day?'" (Luke 14:3-5 NABRE)

Jesus' actions here demonstrate that the law should not be a hindrance to performing acts of love and mercy. The Sabbath law was made for the benefit of humanity, not to prevent acts of kindness and compassion. This reinforces the idea that love and mercy are paramount.

This principle is reflected in the understanding of the two greatest commandments, which Jesus highlighted when asked about the most important laws:

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments." (Matthew 22:37-40 NABRE)

These commandments summarize the entire law, emphasizing that love for God and love for neighbor are the foundation of all moral teaching. Therefore, while laws and traditions have their place, they must always be understood and practiced in the context of love and mercy. Getting bogged down in legalism can lead to neglecting the very essence of what those laws were meant to promote: love, compassion, and justice.

You answer first, Forky. Quit slithering and hissing. Tell us where the "exception" to the 4th Commandment can be found.

(I already know the answer, by the way.)

gentleman. Why is it so important to Christianity to change a Holy Day to a regular day? Same words as Ezekiel spoke;
you should pay attention.

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.

13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;

15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.

16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.

17 Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.

Oh Forky, I must admit I am a poor example of Christianity at best, but thank you for the compliment.

You are twisting and hissing, wriggling and squirming again. Anybody who has ever picked beans or squash or apples knows that you are harvesting the crop even when you don't strip every bean, squash or apple. The grain I have been around thei most is corn. When I go to pick my corn I don't take every ear, do you? Some matures faster, I can't eat but so many ears at a setting and sometimes I eat what I pick and other times freeze it or can it. Still, I'm "harvesting."

But, that don't change what the 4th commandment says do it? Did I miss the part that said it is okay to work (just a little) on the Sabbath?

Are there exceptions to other of the commandments too? It is okay to fib a little if it's for a good cause? Like, for example, trying to convince people that following what Jesus said is wrong. Maybe it's okay for me to lust after my neighbor's wife iffen my own wife has "put me in the doghouse" for a night or two and the mood has hit me. Can I use the Lord's name in vain if I am really mad?

If I join up with your cult do y'all share the secret exceptions?

Inquiring minds want to know.

gentleman YOU are a TRUE Christian spreading LIES HALF-TRUTHS FABLES TRADITIONS AND FALSE INTERPRETATION..
I can understand the difference between
you should learn the difference.

Luke 6:1-11
New International Version
Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath
6 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples BEGAN TO PICK SOME (((SOME GET IT))) HEADS OF GRAIN, RUB THEM IN THEIR THEIR HANDS and eat the kernels. 2 Some of the Pharisees asked, "Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath

BEGAN TO PICK SOME ( GOING THROUGH a FIELD .

(((SOME GET IT))) HEADS OF GRAIN, RUB THEM IN THEIR THEIR HANDS

I know hat English is hard for you Forky, but picking grain is "Harvesting" grain. But, let's go with your (false) interpretation. Please point out in the 4th Commandment where it says a person is allowed to "pick grain" when you are hungry.

gentleman. Jesus identifies people like you because you lie to keep traditions and not the Laws of God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

gentleman. You say harvest. Nowhere in the Bible does it say the Disciples were harvesting only that they hunger and took some. No breaking the LAWS of God. It was unlawful only because of Traditions of Man. TRADITIONS OF JEW RELIGION.

Luke 6:1-11
New International Version
Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath
6 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples BEGAN TO PICK SOME (((SOME GET IT))) HEADS OF GRAIN, RUB THEM IN THEIR THEIR HANDS and eat the kernels. 2 Some of the Pharisees asked, "Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"

Forky, "picking" is harvesting.

gentleman. Wow why do you want to lie so much? The Disciples weren't harvesting nothing they HUNGRY and took some and ate it. Now apologize for lying to Jesus.

Matthew 12 ►
New International Version Par ▾
Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath

1At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath."

3He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread-which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5Or haven't you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' a you would not have condemned the innocent. 8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

Forky: once again your version of events and what the Bible actually says differ. Is hissing and slithering and twisting and wriggling your and misquoting the Bible all you know how to do?

gentleman. Them JEWS had all sorts of laws. Find Truth and stop being a slave to man religion.
So just in case you need a little help.

Deuteronomy 23:25 states that when you enter your neighbor's grainfield, you may pluck the heads of grain with your hand, but you must not put a sickle to your neighbor's grain

Gentleman ****

Posted 10:04 pm, 05/18/2024

Thank you Forky. I hope you had a Merry Sabbath Day too.

You are right, Jesus did say that He was Lord of the Sabbath and it is recorded in three different books of the New Testament.

Did you ever notice that He said that right after He was asked why He allowed His disciples to work on the Sabbath? It wasn't that they were breaking some ceremonial law like not washing their hands (that happened another time) or that they were helping out others who were in a tight spot. They weren't giving the grain to the less fortunate, they were just eating it. Does the 4th Commandment say that a person can harvest grain on the Sabbath?

Yet, Jesus didn't condemn them did He? Reckon why not
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Why should Jesus condemn the Disciples for eating on the Sabbath Day? They weren't doing anything against the teaching of God. Just because the Jews used religion to control doesn't make it a sin. Go read what God said about IT.

Thank you Forky. I hope you had a Merry Sabbath Day too.

gentleman... Happy Sabbath Day. "Take it or leave it. You think Christianity is going to give you eternal life. The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" IT'S a phrase that's in the Bible in Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, and Luke 6:5, where JESUS REFERS TO HIMSELF AS THE LORD OF THE SABBATH

Hey Forky! I have a simple question--was it a "lie, half-truth, fable, tradition or false interpretation" when you said "Jesus says 'The Sabbath is of the Lord.'"?

gentleman You can believe in whatever you want but to believe Jesus it's got to be with Biblical Truths. Not lies half-truths fables traditions and false interpretation of the Good News of Jesus.

John 4:23 But the time is coming-indeed it's here now-when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way. 24 For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth."